In this episode, producer Diego Arispe-Bazan introduces two interviews. The first is between Penn grad student Josh Franklin and Professor Carolyn Sufrin. They discuss her recent book, Jailcare: Finding the Safety Net for Women Behind Bars (2017), interspersed with news clips and testimonials on the topic. After a rare recorded quote by Sigmund Freud, Diego returns in the second half of the episode to talk with Xochitl Marsili-Vargas to discuss the ways that psychoanalytic discourse circulates outside of the clinic through questions such as “what you really mean is,” the kinds of conversations one might have with strangers, and reflect on the differences between mental health care in Argentina and the United States.

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